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Eggbert Nobacon
11:41 Tue Feb 10
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weirdly enough cockson the comments about their youth system was a conversation people enjoyed as you weren't in it. It's called adults talking, you should try it
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Johnson
11:38 Tue Feb 10
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Thanks for your post comma, but other than them being vilified by thick WHOers, where did I suggest any similarity between Adkins and Pardew?
EggBERK- I have no idea what you're scrabbling about on Southamptonstats.com desperate to prove so do try and make an actual point.
Cough and LOLmas - Maybe read a paragraph each and rub your limited brain cells together to see if you can figure it out.
Penners - Thought this would be right up your street as its FULL of Southampton praise.
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Eggbert Nobacon
11:15 Tue Feb 10
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oops
which says to me that considering they have had 14 manager sin that time, that it's NOT the managers that have put that system in place
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Eggbert Nobacon
11:14 Tue Feb 10
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can probably go back even before him if look on their youth development as one continuous thing
Bale must have signed there as a kid in about 2002 if not earlier
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11:12 Tue Feb 10
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Don't see any similarity between Pardew and Adkins at all in terms of what they did there and there is no mention of 'Arry either.
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Eggbert Nobacon
11:10 Tue Feb 10
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as such an admirer of Southampton Cockson I assume you won't be jumping up and down having a melt down if we should lose to them tomorrow?
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Jonah Lomas
11:05 Tue Feb 10
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Can someone summarise that please?
I nodded off.
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Far Cough
11:03 Tue Feb 10
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Fucking hell, did you really go to all that trouble to type that diatribe out?
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penners28
11:03 Tue Feb 10
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Johnson, cant you say what you really think without sitting on the fence?
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Johnson
11:01 Tue Feb 10
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For anyone with half a brain and an understanding of football, it is reasonably straight forward. As you struggle with both of those things I'll humour you and explain.
It is interesting (cretinous) that you jump to the result of Arsenal's endeavours of the modern era to try and challenge my point. At no point did I say we shouldn't want to be a consistent top four side. Read back, it's not there.
That stupidity is symptomatic of the modern WHOer, who sees success on the horizon and greedily grabs at it without a moments thought as to how to make it happen and sustain it.
That attitude is what allows the board to drag the club to the Olympic stadium without due consideration for fans and in my opinion much thought about what that move means to the club - from U8s through to the first team.
People lap up comments about Category Four, being up with the elite, signing any player in the world and daydream of being someone like Arsenal. But, it's not that simple - as I said if you're going to blindly be another team be the Liverpool or Manc teams I spoke about.
You see football is a game ultimately, played on some grass. If you're good at it, you be successful and with success comes all of the riches we know about. Man Utd didn't buy their way to being the biggest club in the world, they had a fucking good team in the 50/60s when football was about football and from their the base of continued success was formed.
Of course you can buy success, as Chelsea and Man City have shown but they've still got no where near the standing of Man Utd jn the world game and the ability for billionaires to treat the game like an expensive game of chess is being closed down. It's going to be much harder for newcomers to play the same games Chelsea and Man City have been.
Back to our situation. OFF the pitch the board are back ally copying Arsenal - big new stadium to make money, shitty cartoon badge to apparently make us more appealing, fucking off the traditional working class fan for the corporate nonces and middle class families however they are forgetting the KEY component that has allowed Arsenal to do that - ON the pitch matters.
For years Arsenal saved up (what an old fashioned term) for theirs stadium - Wenger didn't spend much, he promoted youth, he sold players for big money all whilst the stadium was being built and paid for.
We seem to think we don't need to worry about any of that and can just jump to the end game and be successful with it. We arrogantly think that the OS will automatically make us one of the best clubs. Having the most expensive car doesn't make you the best driver though.
So, to Southampton who not so long ago were down in the third tier. And in that new ground too - I thought fancy grounds made you successful.
They found themselves down there as they took their eye from ON the field matters, so the team wasn't very good. More fans int he ground can't make a team better than it is.
This wake up call caused them to go back to concentrating on the football and by employing managers like Pardew and Adkins who are both vilified by arrogant success with thought WHOers and focussing on their academy setup are now back in the Premierleague and are producing international quality talent at a rate not too dissimilar to us in our pomp.
They don't need a 54,000 seater stadium to do it, they don't need to spend hundreds of millions of pounds they've just got quite good at the GAME of football.
So, for a club in our position with a similar although bigger fan base looking for long term sustainable success via organic growth - as we're not going to be the next Chelsea or City I would be looking to emulate Southampton and their ON the pitch approach.
That's not to say Arsenal didn't focus on playing matters, of course they did as it allowed the stadium to be built but this is where our stupidity comes in - we are only taking their corporate model and not their playing one. They can afford to spend now not because they have a big ground but because they saved up by growing their own players through the ranks - much like Southampton.
We're not doing that, as the development squad thread shows that seems to be dying a death - our chairman has questioned the validity of spending money on it also - so who exactly is going to play in our first game at the OS?
Bought in players? Under the current regime? Good luck with that.
Get it right on the pitch and you will be successful and can grow, simply move into a big new stadium and you might find yourselves doggy paddling for survival as you realise the water is too deep.
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Jonah Lomas
9:27 Tue Feb 10
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Go on then Johnson, enlighten not just me, but all of us, with you outstanding wisdom.
Why shouldn't we want to emulate a side which hasn't finished outside the top 4 since 1995-96 season, consistently challenges for trophies and often play very good football?
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Johnson
9:20 Tue Feb 10
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Fucking idiot. Let's just copy the Liverpool team of the 80s or the Mancs in the 90/00s.
Stick to showing yourself up on Rugby and Cricket threads, as football is too difficult for you.
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Jonah Lomas
9:00 Tue Feb 10
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Wouldn't it be absolutely awful if we did somehow emulate Arsenal and not finish outside the top 4 for almost 20 years Johnson.
I'd hate for us to aspire to that sort of success.
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Johnson
8:48 Tue Feb 10
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Unfortunately out owners have just the right mix of arrogance and stupidity and thus are trying to emulate Arsenal rather than Southampton.
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JGW1
11:24 Mon Feb 9
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It would take a remarkable turn of events for us to be a genuine top 6 club let alone top 4. Spurs and Arsenal are going to finish miles ahead of us and will only get better next year. There's a tiny hope we might keep lace with Liverpool but they'll click again soon and it'll be all over.
We would need a massive injection of cash, an outstanding manager and for several clubs to hit the buffers. Only a massive buy out and a fair wind will see us ever challenging for a top 4 spot.
Saints have been a revelation but have hit form in a year in which half the big boys have been slow out of the blocks. Won't last
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Capitol Man
8:12 Mon Feb 9
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Southampton are also doing something very right at a fundamental level through the club. They seem to be doing well no matter who the manager is.
I'd be great if we could match that, as I'm sure 89 other league clubs are trying to do, but that will only happen over time. We're not suddenly going to be able to turn on the stream of players that they seem to have been able to.
I think there is a different manager needed over the long term, but for me that's when the extra cash comes on tap from the OS.
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norwich hammer
8:03 Mon Feb 9
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8, I reckon that's probably because Southampton have a better squad than us.
How can that be? They sold all their top players!
Oh but they have a manager who knows football factamundo!
I said before Xmas they will finish top 4, third division a couple of years ago to. 👏👏👏👏👏👏👏
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norwich hammer
7:58 Mon Feb 9
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Under the thumb quoted,
On the whole BFS is doing a great job.
Sorry mate but that's the problem! He is fucking up again and again and if we had struggled like last year he would have been gone now after the backing he had! Better players brought in and against his will some of them have transformed us but still he wants to hold back to route 1!
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norwich hammer
7:51 Mon Feb 9
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Egg, tbh I am gutted they have turned most of the city into car free zones,my mrs has a stall on the market so at least I can park there early doors 😳
Now into important things how do you vote on the Jarvis substitution?
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The Kronic
6:54 Mon Feb 9
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riosleftsock 5:30
You think? I think it's partly because Southampton have a manager who believes in his players and said his team were top 4 on merit.
In contrast we have a defeatist oaf who said we were 'overachieving' when we were top 4. And we then promptly slipped down the table.
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Brucies_Star_Prize
6:54 Mon Feb 9
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stewie griffin 5:35 Mon Feb 9
That works both ways though.
We stole a draw at Stoke after being absolutely dominated and were lucky to hang on at West Brom.
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